This basically proves that despite needing to learn to drive, needing a test and license, needing to register trucks, requiring insurance and certain people not being allowed trucks… terrorist attacks involving them still happen and they kill people. In the same way that with more gun control it wouldn’t prevent mass shootings from happening. Actually there are a lot of laws that should prevent shootings but that’s what criminals do. They break laws. Gun control allready exists. Frankly I don’t like guns, I never have but people need to stop pretending that gun control is the end all solution to violence and gun crimes because sadly it wont. Especially as seen in some countries like brazil which has some of the strongest gun laws in the world but some of the highest rates of gun crime. It’s not gonna work. Also maybe stronger gun laws may decrease the risk of shootings but other things will rise, in the UK knife crimes and acid attacks are far more likely than in the US, we banned guns, now criminals use something else.
except its not, most terrorist attacks that involve ramming are either then followed by an explosive, or them getting out and shooting or stabbing people, because ramming people with a truck turns out to be a less efficient form of murder then the things we specifically invented to kill things efficiently
also gun control is not about stopping every single crime, we know thats impossible, nothing we do will stop every crime, but we can lessen them because guess what? if someone goes into a school with a knife there going to kill a lot less people then if they had a pistol, and if they had a pistol there going to kill less people then if they had an ar-15, because “3 dead and 2 injured in school knife attack” is a tragedy but i will tkae it over “32 dead and 25 injured in school shooting”
‘Ramming people with a truck turns out to be a less efficient form of murder then the things we specifically invented to kill things efficiently.’ You’re wrong. We know that the most deadly mass shooting in US history killed 58 people. However In 2016, in Nice in France one man driving a truck killed 84 people, injuring over 425 others. He didn’t use any other weapons. 1 man and a truck was more deadly than the deadliest US mass shooting in history. Allthough the man had guns, he didn’t use them to kill civilians and they didn’t harm a single person, he only used them at the end to defend himself from police which didn’t work anyway. Do you just not remember the Nice terror attack in France?
Sure more gun control will decrease gun crime to some level. Except as I have said more people will be killed from other means. In the UK you are considerably more likely to he stabbed to death than if you lived in the US. In the US you are considerably more likely to be shot to death than being stabbed to death. (Allthough more people get stabbed to death in America that is because the popualtion of America is nearly 6 times that of the UK) Of course it is known that America does have a gun problem and a murder problem that is worse than a lot of countries but it’s not allways as bad as people make it out to be. After all I am 3.5 times more likely to win the big prize on the lottery than be killed in a school shooting.
1. this was a coordinated attack by the largest terrorist group in the world, as apposed ot just one asshole, 2. it was during a large crowded event, again the only scenario where ramming is effective, so yes running people over can be a good way to kill a bunch of people, if the exact conditions are right(also two people tried to pry the door open and stop him, but were stopped by , surprise, his gun)
also your not actually making an argument against gun control “your more likely to be stabbed in the uk” is literally just saying that gun control works, that the criminals dont have access to guns, sure they might commit crimes still but there going to be a lot less succesful with a knife then a gun, cus a knife you can beat with running faster then them, a bat or rake, or hell your fists if your luck and even if you get stabbed your a lot more likely to survive a knife wound then a gunshot, because as it turns out the thing we arm all our soldiers with, and the culmination of mankinds technological development into killing things, is a lot deadlier then the knife, mankinds second invention
also school shootings are not the only form of gun violence your attempting to make it sound smaller then it is
No it doesn’t matter how the attack was done, you’re wrong so stop making excuses. Co-ordinated or not, the attack was carried out by one person that killed more people than any American mass shooting. I’ll highlight what you said again
Is this wrong as I just proved? Yes. It doesn’t matter if it was carried out by the queen of England or a baboon it was still a truck attack that killed people using nothing but the truck. A lot of mass shootings are carried out by major terrorist groups and still are no where near as deadly as that.
Yes knives are easier to get away from, yet they can’t be that much easier though if hundreds of people still get killed from them a year in the UK. Knife attacks are bad and criminals are killing a lot of people with them. It’s all well and good saying people could hypothetically run away but i’m not talking hypothetics, i’m talking about real life. In real life hundreds of people actually get killed. It’s not always simple to run away. Also it’s not only knife crime on the rise. The UK is one of the most likely places on the earth to get an acid attack, staggeringly more so than the US. Honestly i’d rather be shot dead than have acid thrown in my face, if you don’t die a slow and painful death, you have to live with your skin melted off in agony. My argument isn’t as you said ‘more people get stabbed in the UK’ my argument is that allthough gun crimes go down a bit, crime rates don’t really change. Criminals just find other ways to break the law and hurt people.
I don’t like guns, I never have and I never will but acting like gun control is the solution to preventing or greatly reducing the amount of gun deaths in America really isn’t going to work. 1. There are many countries that have a higher gun crime rate than America but have stricter gun laws because criminals break laws. 2. Try getting the millions of Americans who own guns to politely hand over their guns without creating a war. 3. Imagine if there was absolutely no way for a criminal to get a gun in a country. Which I haven’t ever seen a country manage anyway as people still get shot dead regularly in countries that banned guns, criminals will just find other ways to hurt people. 4. There allready are gun control laws in the US. It’s illegal to murder people, you have to have a license to have a gun, you have to be over a certain age and have to pass certain tests to see if you are mentally stable enough and can shoot properly. You can be denied a gun and need identification to buy one. Many types of guns are also not allowed to be sold to civillians in the US. Now tell me, do those rules stop people killing in cold blood?
No really getting killed by a gun in America is smaller than you make it out to be. Including all kinds of gun related deaths, the chances of you being killed by a gun in America are 1 in 25,053.
except it does, if it requires coordination from a major terrorist group it required more effort and plannign, hence, less efficient, you are also not disproving anything, you are preventing an exception to the rule, achieved threw having ideal conditions for the act, if i had them tied up and unable to fight back i could easily kill 50 people with my bare hands, this does not prove my hands are more deadly then a gun,
the reason more people die from knives is because more people have access to knives, go to your kitchen, i guarantee you you have at minimum 4 knives sharp enough to kill someone with, and if you want to kill a specific person without arousing suspicion a silent knife would be better then a loud gun, its also not hypothetical, thats how it works in reality, even if they do get someone, if they want to kill multiple people that gives more time for everyone else to get away, while the number of crimes dont go down there severity does, more people are killed by dogs then nukes, doesent mean dogs are just as dangerous as nukes just means theres a lot more dog
1. because there are multiple factors to , a country can have gun control laws but have loopholes or otherwise do an inadequacy job enforcing them , or simply have worse education, more instability economiclly or any other factor that increases crime, if say, some random nutjob(like many mass shooters in the us with no connection to organised crime or terrorist groups) can find a black market for guns, the police can find it to and shut it down, its also just a really stupid arguement, because why make pedophilia illegal there just gonna break the law and do it anyway, why make murder illegal people are still gonna break the law , it can apply to literally any law ever 2. except other countrys have done just that, wihtout war, buyback programs and shit like that, hell it would take a while but you could just let them keep the guns they already have but simply prevent them from buying new ones, or you know, ammo, eventually they run out of ammo for it, and there ar-15 becomes a fancy paperweight, or it falls into disrepair, or if it is used for a crime, confiscated, and the number of the banned guns slowly dwindle without any direct action 3.again, your failling to realise we arent trying to prevent every murderer because thats fucking impossible, what we are trying to do is limit a murderers ability to succeed, if they kill 1 person instead of 5, thats a win 4. yes and they can be stricter and better enforced
you are literally trying to argue that somehow knives are just as capable of killing people as guns, because you can murder someone with both, completely ignoring that you can kill someone a lot easier, and kill a lot more people with a gun then a knife, you are arguing that because it would not stop every murder ever that it is pointless
cool its not as big as it could, it can still be smaller,
if we can go from 1 in 25,000 to 1 in 35,000 thats still a major improvement, there is always room ot improve, when we are dealing with people being murdered, no number is ever “Good enough’ except 0, which as i stated, is impossible but doesent mean we shouldent continue to try to improve safety
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